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Treaty of London 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Was the Treaty of London a significant diplomatic coup for Wolsey?
 
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Re:Treaty of London 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
In relation to your reply to our post, I think you will be interested to know that the two are inextricibly linked. The Treaty of London was a representation of Universal Peace and as stated in the article 'Wolsey's foreign policy', it was built on shifting sands.
 
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Re:Treaty of London 1 Year, 3 Months ago  
Well, it was and it wasn't a significant coup, really. On the one hand, the Treaty failed to achieve peace, as the Hapsburg-Valois wars recommenced within a few years. On the other hand, it was generally considered to reflect well on England, and thus brought Henry great prestige at a negligible cost compared to Henry's foreign wars. So it really depends on whether you think the Treaty's primary purpose was to create peace or to bring Henry glory. If the former, then it failed; if the latter, then it probably succeeded.
 
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Re:Treaty of London 3 Months ago  
In response to the stated question, i would adamantly argue that the Treaty of Universal Peace signed in London in 1518 was not so mucha diplomatic coup, rather fortunate opportunity which significantly advances England's prestige globally whilst also ensuring its protection. I would argue this for one main reason, a diplomatic coup would infer that Wolsey, indeed Henry VIII would then recieve enough power to not only arbirtate the european conflicts (Hapsburg vs Valois) but also Stop any wars from occuring. this is not the case, they were seen as peace arbitators, promoters of justic between the increasingly war torn Europe but a year later when Charles I became the successor to Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian, the situation changed in Europe again.
Thus, England did not have the power that a coup would usually command, and in 1522, after years of deliberation, they chose to join Charles in his war against Francis I. By now, the older Henry who had bee out shone by Francis I in 1515 (with the young successors impressive victory and capture of Milan) was now outplaced by the failure of the Treaty of London and therefore i think it is only sutiable to conclude with the words of G.R.Elton "After 1519, England was really out of her class in this contest of heavy weights".

So, in my opinion, it wasn't a diplomatic coup, rather a stunning peice of improvised opportunitsic diplomacy on behalf of Wolsey who saw that hes master wanted to be influential once more
 
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